The conversation starts with Bruce sharing that the biggest problem we face today in our world is another mass extinction. In the past 5 world extinctions, all were created by natural events. The last one was 66 million years ago when a comet hit earth and upleveled the web of life, hence the extinction of the dinosaurs. This is the first time that a massive extinction is at the hands of human behavior harming and affecting the web of life. There are many examples of this and signs on the wall, including overfishing and polluting the water, which has left us with 90% less fish in the ocean. In 2048 there will be no fish. It is our human civilization that is responsible for this loss and it’s a major wake up call. He talked about returning to the behavior of indigenous people — being gardeners in the garden, not taking over the garden. We can change these behaviors.